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Mom for Gliberty's avatar

Some of the countries even turned to communism because of US/western malfeasance.

Like, Ho Chi Minh (justifiably!) hated French colonialism and was inspired by Thomas Jefferson's writing, but we didn't want to offend the French when he reached out, so he turned to the USSR.

And then a lot of anti-capitalist sentiments in Latin America stem from the US propping up abusive "banana republics".

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During the Cold War, the US helped overthrow nearly *democratically elected governments in every country in Latin America*. That's how insane it was. At any one time, there were multiple civil wars going on at one time that we played a role in. That's how much fascism we supported. Name the country, you can point to bloodshed to overthrow a democracy that we orchestrated.

You almost need to hand it to WASPs. They had an unbelievable capacity for logistics. Like you pointed out, CIA, State, and frankly much of government in general was run by people with very similar last names. That culture is semi-dead now, but they were a weird bunch. I was in a relationship with one for 4 years in my 20s, and got to know that crowd very well. Generally speaking, they're boring, humorless, functional alcoholics. She was also insatiable in the sack which was *clearly* a response to her oppressive background.

But anyhew, don't give communism any credit. The CIA may have prevented some successes from taking place, but there are plenty of examples where the CIA was not involved at all, and they were the *most* brutal examples. The Holodomor, the Great Purge, Great Terror, Cultural Revolution, and the Khmer Rouge were not the fault of anyone but communists. Marx even spoke of the need for classicide, which is still somewhat seen by communists as a feature rather than a bug.

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