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Joshua Katz's avatar

Interesting. You and I drifted closer together on some things in light of recent events, but further apart on others. I guess Trump 2.0 made me more "woke," by some definitions. Watching Chris Rufo say "okay, here's how I'm going to lie about race," then lie about race, then centrists rush to say "wow, this guy is really concerned about plagiarism," sort of radicalized me. So did other things.

At a certain point, I've just had enough of trying to make common cause with people who want nothing other than hate and tantrums. They're going to call me woke anyway, so I'm woke. Whatever. Their bottom line is that this country is bad and Russia is good.

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Mom for Gliberty's avatar

I don't think getting into arguments about terms is a great way to use ones time, so I am not trying to convince you to change as much as being pedantic, but I think feminism as a term still works because the underlying problem is that things associated with femininity are considered bad and thus when good things are feminine coded we will hurt men/they will hurt themselves to avoid those things, so raising the status of those things or ending the femininity stigma would help men.

Additionally, I think the battle isn't so much about who is getting hurt most, but rather who has agency, status, freedom and power. Sexism always sells itself as a way of keeping women from harm and the flip side of being considered more powerful and being more free is a much wider distance between the bottom and the top as you have both more room to fuck up and fucking up is considered more your own fault. Recognizing that men can be vulnerable and victims and need a hand up is the flip side of recognizing women as being competent and doing work of value and able to make our own choices. Getting men to buy into the project would help both genders.

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