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Jameson's avatar

All very true. Former AG Harris even admitted this publicly.

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John M's avatar

The law mentioned in your link about ex-prisoners firefighters in California seems to have functioned as intended: there are now people who have had their records expunged, gotten the needed certifications, and begun formal employment with CalFire. So your gloss on it is out of date. Of course it still takes a lot of work for these people to jump through the hoops. https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/04/22/i-was-able-to-give-back-landmark-firefighting-law-sparks-new-hope-for-former-inmates/

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Cathy Reisenwitz's avatar

Thank you!

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Brian's avatar

Unpopular opinion: going to prison for free is a budget nightmare. Prison is corporatized and inmates become cattle for the corporations' bottom line. Giving lawbreakers (mostly men in the time of their life where they are the most restless) job skills really help them if/when they are released and helps keep them from recidivism We absolutely should give these kids something productive to do, so they learn how to do something other than rape and pillage. As for the lower rate of pay, well, they're in prison, "serving" their time.

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Cathy Reisenwitz's avatar

Sure. They should have the option to work and/or get education or training. But they shouldn't be forced into labor. No one should.

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Hank Vandenburgh's avatar

I've read that there are now more slaves than at any previous time in history, worldwide. One device is Asian maritime slavery where individuals are pressed onto fishing boats that never touch shore, being supplied by other boats-- where caught fish and resupplies are exchanged. Some of these fishing slaves are killed by the boat captains if they "get out of line" and cast overboard. They may be released without a cent years later, or not.

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Luc's avatar

Talk to Kamala about this why don't you?

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Cathy Reisenwitz's avatar

She won’t respond to my tweets

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Luc's avatar

Might want to take a gander at this. Working while incarcerated doesn't seem mandatory from what I can read.

"Still, less than half of America’s prison population works. The most recent available Bureau of Justice statistics come from 2005, when 800,000 to 900,000 inmates, out of a population of about 2.3 million, had jobs within their facilities"

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bozelko-prison-labor-20171020-story.html

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Cathy Reisenwitz's avatar

This is fucked up. "He worries that a captive labor force incentivizes mass incarceration." It literally does! Harris' lawyers literally said so! And the argument that no prison labor is forced because it's not forced on all inmates is unfathomably stupid.

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ThadryanJS's avatar

"He worries..." the sane question is not if it incentivizes mass incarceration but how could it possibly not.

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Cathy Reisenwitz's avatar

Thank you!

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Luc's avatar

No idea. Wouldn't live in CA if it was FREE and I teach my grown adult men to stay out of prison.

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