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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

I think this basically just all comes back to your "top half"/"bottom half" thing, though it's more exaggerated than that, because really it's that the top 20% are entirely different and WAY better off in every possible dimension than everyone else, while the bottom 20% are such horrible losers in life that they skew every stat and honestly things would look a lot more sane if you just left them off.

The chronically unemployed and often previously incarcerated men in the bottom third are basically totally responsible for skewing all of these median and average stats. Of course marriages where a dude doesn't work at all and has been in jail suck.

But even some of the studies you cited are just really not even nearly as bad as they try to portray. For example, if you look into that 2025 study that purports to show that spouses are less happy in female breadwinner marriages...they literally tossed out all participants who had an income above $84k per year. That was 20% of their sample!! So they completely excluded anyone in the top 30% of earnings and only looked at people in the middle or lower. They don't explain why they did that, but they did that. In fact they considered it a "plus" that after tossing out 20% of their sample, they were only left with people earning at around the median level or below. I'd love to see the data with actual financially comfortable people, and what it looked like for everyone they tossed out who either themselves or their partner made more than $84k, because I bet it would look entirely different.

Similarly, that graph on male infidelity...the rates only go up above 5% where the woman is earning at least 3/4 of the couple's total income, and even where the man earns nothing, they only go up to 15%. That's not really that bad, and to me once again just shows that the type of loser guy with no job, who has probably been in jail, is also likely to be a cheater, with all that time on his hands. Of course he is (keep in mind that about 30% of men will go to jail at least once in their life, and it's a very safe bet that most of the men not working are in that previously incarcerated category).

So basically what we're looking at here is a bunch of people who are financially struggling. I would really love to see the data for couples where the husband is a stay at home dad while the wife is a doctor, or other arrangements where the man earning less does NOT mean they are struggling financially, as I am quite certain that none of these stats look anything like this story we see here. I know a ton of high income couples in this category (in fact it seems like at least half of high income marriages around me of people under 40), and they are all happy stable people. Life is better when you aren't worrying about paying your bills and your husband isn't on disability or can't get a job because he has a criminal record.

Thing is, the *majority* of new marriages today where the woman earns in the top 20% now marry a man who earns less. https://ifstudies.org/blog/women-still-marry-up-but-the-income-gap-is-narrowing And even where the man earns more, it's not much more nowadays. Basically about 4 out of 10 new marriages the man does not earn more, and in the 6 in 10 where he does, she earns about 80% what he does on average, unless she's not working at all. This whole thing is seriously on its way out, though partly that's because the bottom half men just don't bother any more at all. Not only are the highest earning women most likely to marry "down" now economically, but they're also the most likely to get married in the first place, and the least likely to divorce, so this narrative doesn't add up and it's becoming such a big pet peeve of mine how people don't disaggregate these things because the trends are entirely flipped for the top third and bottom third, as you repeatedly note.

I have no idea why our culture continually insists on worrying about the crisis among men when actually there's no crisis except for the guys at the bottom, and it's the women at the bottom who have a total nightmare on their hands to contend with, and basically no options for partners who will commit to them.

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Andrew's avatar

As a teacher who’s sort of a stay at home dad on summer break this article made me want to scream.

Every line of it just feels lousy. I’m taking the foster kid to the beach picnic while my wife is at work. I have dinner in the slow cooker and the house outside of his room is spotless.

My wife loves summer me—she gets so much more of my attention while I’m a sahd. June and July are great for her.

I of course know I’m an outlier on the other end of the spectrum but I don’t understand the lack of appeal here.

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