I’m not going to start with my favorite part of the recent New Liberal Podcast with Richard V Reeves (author of Of Boys and Men and founder of the American Institute for Boys and Men).
I am not the person to do outreach to downtrodden men, because I am like the embodiment of all they hate, but I'd think the way their media sources prey on them and take advantage of them would be a good place to drive the wedge and make everyone better off. What are your heroes trying to sell you? Follow the money.
Also if we could change the paradigm from "being a man means not being a woman" to "being a man means not being a boy" emphasizing striving and maturing rather than limiting your own humanity and being misogynist.
Depending on the timing, the DNC giving up on men could be defensible. There is a point in the election cycle when you have to throw everything at the easiest short term goals. Breaking through to men is a long term project that will need to involve a lot more left actors.
"Breaking through to men is a long term project that will need to involve a lot more left actors." That is definitely the case. We need money, talent, time, etc.
Men will never fall for the sort of weak minded messaging that can effectively coerce the feelings of women. The reason democrats, and progressives more broadly, lost men and boys is because men and boys rightly saw through the bullshit of leftist ideology. It’s time to face reality: you lost, and you didn’t lose because men and boys are stupid/naive/resentful, you lost because YOUR WORLDVIEW IS WRONG. Deal with it or don’t… you’ve lost the ill gotten institutional power you once held, so whether or not you decide to see reason is beyond me to give a damn about.
"Women: Probably also just people.” LOL likely true.
Also seems like hitting union solidarity and working that angle with blue collar folks would gain ground.
I don't know about unions. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EJAg1xszyImmRUg8JR3qtolRAJp4_8CbZpCHW2mptN0/edit?tab=t.0
https://www.slowboring.com/p/a-common-sense-economic-agenda
But yes I do think the Democratic Party would do well to marry industrial policy with explicitly pro-male messaging.
I am not the person to do outreach to downtrodden men, because I am like the embodiment of all they hate, but I'd think the way their media sources prey on them and take advantage of them would be a good place to drive the wedge and make everyone better off. What are your heroes trying to sell you? Follow the money.
Also if we could change the paradigm from "being a man means not being a woman" to "being a man means not being a boy" emphasizing striving and maturing rather than limiting your own humanity and being misogynist.
Depending on the timing, the DNC giving up on men could be defensible. There is a point in the election cycle when you have to throw everything at the easiest short term goals. Breaking through to men is a long term project that will need to involve a lot more left actors.
"Breaking through to men is a long term project that will need to involve a lot more left actors." That is definitely the case. We need money, talent, time, etc.
Men will never fall for the sort of weak minded messaging that can effectively coerce the feelings of women. The reason democrats, and progressives more broadly, lost men and boys is because men and boys rightly saw through the bullshit of leftist ideology. It’s time to face reality: you lost, and you didn’t lose because men and boys are stupid/naive/resentful, you lost because YOUR WORLDVIEW IS WRONG. Deal with it or don’t… you’ve lost the ill gotten institutional power you once held, so whether or not you decide to see reason is beyond me to give a damn about.
all caps, the universal language of apathy
Good reply. I’ve said my piece, and should return to my actual real job now.