Parents almost never (as in 5 times in a decade) get charged with child labor infractions though. It's usually a civil matter where the employer is fined. The parents in NE had their daughter work the overnight shift and then dropped her off at middle school, with no sleep and covered in chemical burns. If not for the fact that they were also stealing all her money, this would have been a pretty straight forward case of child abuse.
Does the girl have no right to an education? Can a child so young really consent to life long scarring, the risk of danger, and the impacts of her destroyed education?
Furthermore, land reform is great, but the factory is in Grand Island NE, not Seattle, not even Omaha. Housing is cheap and commutes are short. Her parents could have taken the overnight shift and afforded housing, (probably only one needed to).
I didn’t know that, thank you! I would prefer kids get educated than get chemical burns, certainly. These parents are certainly not very sympathetic from what you’ve shared. I’m not sure what the solution is for cases like this. Sometimes child separation is the best path. But foster care is pretty rough as well most of the time.
Thanks for responding, and hope I didn't come off as too harsh!
This just hit on my main bugaboo with libertarianism. Children are already so vulnerable to their parents, often for unavoidable reasons, and a lot of the "libertarian" solutions end up just increasing parent's power over them like they are some luxury possession of the parents and not their own people who deserve liberty despite their own vulnerability.
And meat packing is such a brutal industry! I couldn't find any stats (in part because nobody cares about these workers I am sure) but I would guess based on what I have seen of meat packing towns, that most people end up with some sort of painful disability before 50.
Also, most of the children JBS employed had no legal status and were likely trafficked, so legal rights for foreign workers would be the most helpful ameliorating move, imo.
But the meat packers are extremely powerful because people would lose their shit if meat prices reflected the cost of a non-exploited workforce.
Shut your mouth! Always rant in my replies! I love the conversation and especially the context and extra information I didn’t have. This is a big part of why I write. I want to learn in public.
I've seen 1st hand success of housing for the homeless in downtown Chatanooga. Better to pay for a building or two for them to live in then step over them etc.
It's harder to sell child labor....but it's better than arresting little Bobby or his parents for his paper route.
Parents almost never (as in 5 times in a decade) get charged with child labor infractions though. It's usually a civil matter where the employer is fined. The parents in NE had their daughter work the overnight shift and then dropped her off at middle school, with no sleep and covered in chemical burns. If not for the fact that they were also stealing all her money, this would have been a pretty straight forward case of child abuse.
Does the girl have no right to an education? Can a child so young really consent to life long scarring, the risk of danger, and the impacts of her destroyed education?
Furthermore, land reform is great, but the factory is in Grand Island NE, not Seattle, not even Omaha. Housing is cheap and commutes are short. Her parents could have taken the overnight shift and afforded housing, (probably only one needed to).
I didn’t know that, thank you! I would prefer kids get educated than get chemical burns, certainly. These parents are certainly not very sympathetic from what you’ve shared. I’m not sure what the solution is for cases like this. Sometimes child separation is the best path. But foster care is pretty rough as well most of the time.
Thanks for responding, and hope I didn't come off as too harsh!
This just hit on my main bugaboo with libertarianism. Children are already so vulnerable to their parents, often for unavoidable reasons, and a lot of the "libertarian" solutions end up just increasing parent's power over them like they are some luxury possession of the parents and not their own people who deserve liberty despite their own vulnerability.
And meat packing is such a brutal industry! I couldn't find any stats (in part because nobody cares about these workers I am sure) but I would guess based on what I have seen of meat packing towns, that most people end up with some sort of painful disability before 50.
Also, most of the children JBS employed had no legal status and were likely trafficked, so legal rights for foreign workers would be the most helpful ameliorating move, imo.
But the meat packers are extremely powerful because people would lose their shit if meat prices reflected the cost of a non-exploited workforce.
I agree with your assessment of libertarianism. And meatpacking. And immigration.
Than you! And sorry for ranting in your replies!
Shut your mouth! Always rant in my replies! I love the conversation and especially the context and extra information I didn’t have. This is a big part of why I write. I want to learn in public.
The children yearn for the slaughterhouses 😆
Kidding...sort of.
I've seen 1st hand success of housing for the homeless in downtown Chatanooga. Better to pay for a building or two for them to live in then step over them etc.
It's harder to sell child labor....but it's better than arresting little Bobby or his parents for his paper route.
Nice one Cathy
Thank you! I’m a fan of permanent supportive housing, especially alongside zoning and permitting reform.
I have read about salt lake city Utah just giving people housing. Not sure what quality or duration or conditions.
I came across homelesssheltersdirectory.org today, interesting content there, including for Chattanooga.